Can I record both RGB and Alpha of a keyed out video at the same time in Aximmetry?

 

Yes, it is possible to record both the RGB and the Alpha channel at the same time.
(Note that you should use Realtime recording if you want to record a live physical camera input.
In this particular example however we are using a pre-recorded video input.) 


You can do it in two ways.


1. The simpler way is that you record the keyed footage with a codec that records the alpha channel separately within the video.

Such codecs are QT RLE RGBA, Cineform and image sequences recorded in TGA, PNG and TIFF.


So, in the Flow panel it should look like this:


Click on the Keyer__All node and make sure it is set to ADVANCED B Keyer Type in the Pin Values.



Next, click on the Video Recorder and make sure Alpha is switched to On, Framerate is set to Realtime and Video Format is set to QT RLE RGBA or Cineform or any of the above mentioned image sequence formats.




2. The second way is to use an Alpha Splitter and record the two channels with two separate Video Recorders.
It should look something like this in the Flow panel:


Please, note that to do this you need an Alpha Splitter node connected to the Keyer__All compound in order to split the Alpha component from the original RGB video signal.
This way you can connect both the RGB and the Alpha components of your video signal to a separate Video Recorder individually.


In this example we have used a Pin Collector special node (named Alpha Split rec on the screenshot above) to be able to press record on both Video Recorders at the same time.
We then added the Pin Collector to the Control Board.


Note: recording both components of your original video channel in Realtime with two Video Recorders is heavily dependent on your PC configuration. 


We recommend that you use H.264 or MPEG-2 to record both components simultaneously on lower spec machines. For bitrate about 3Mbps is a good starting point in terms of quality, but we encourage all users to try higher bitrates depending on their PC configuration. To set these values, click on the Video Recorder node and set them in the Pin Values panel. Don’t forget to set the file names and the output folders!

(You need to set the values for both Video Recorders individually.)







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NKNick
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Do I have to set something special if i just want to key a camera signal live and send it out via SDI with alpha for a external recorder?

I don´t know if the output sdi signal is with alpha channel at the moment 

 
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Zoltan@Aximmetry
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Hi,

You cannot send RGB and alpha together on the same SDI cable (it's a limitation of the standard).

For that use the Alpha Splitter module and output both RGB and Alpha to two different SDI outputs.

Alternatively you can use NDI which supports alpha. In this case you have to select the RGBA mode when you set the video mode for the NDI output.

 
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给泽泽一个面子
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SO I  just want to key a camera signal live. what should i do? THANK YOU

 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi,

We answered your question in the separate thread: https://my.aximmetry.com/post/2151-key-a-camera-signal-live

Warmest regards,

 
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Oisincl
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Hi,

Some of the Blackmagic Decklink cards support external keyer.

Is it possible to use this in Aximmetry, like with NDI and do the conversion on the card rather than using the alpha splitter?

 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi Oisincl,

We have documentation page on how to use external keyers here: https://aximmetry.com/learn/tutorials/for-studio-operators/using-aximmetry-with-an-external-keyer/

Warmest regards,

 
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Oisincl
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Hi,

Yes I have seen this doc but it does not answer my question.

What I wanted to know was can Aximmetry send RGB + Alpha (32bit bmdFormat8BitBGRA) to the decklink card which also supports alpha, as one output like with NDI

¨Alternatively you can use NDI which supports alpha. In this case you have to select the RGBA mode when you set the video mode for the NDI output.¨

Like this:


The outputs of the decklink then are set to for example 1 & 2 and the card outputs fill on1 and key on 2 but within Aximmetry we use only one video output



 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi,

If this didn't work with the right Blackmagic Desktop settings:

Then there is no way to make it work without Aximmetry changing how it handles the Blackmagic SDK. If you want I can add this to our request list.

Note, you can still use the Alpha Splitter module to send the RGB on one SDI and the Alpha on another SDI connection.

Warmest regards,



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