Panasonic AW-UE150 FreeD tracking profile

 

Hi,

We just bought 2 Panasonic AW-UE150 cameras and we struggle calibrating them (finding the right values of sensor width and position, then getting the zoom tracking to work).

As this camera seems to be used by many people and you even tried it, I was wondering if you had ready to use profiles, or a specific guide on this camera to get the right values.

Thank you,

Rémi

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Aximmetry
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Hi Rémi,
Please try this  https://mab.to/fVveL8PbN
Copy the file into
c:\Users\xxxxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Aximmetry\options__xxxxxxx\__DeviceSetups\CameraTracking\Cameras

 
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Modulo
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Thank you, the zoom works perfectly out of the box. :D

I just need to calibrate other elements because I still have a shift of perspective when panning/tilting.

 
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TwentyStudios
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Did you ever get this to work properly? We have a unit on loan for a short time, so I was wondering if you'd be willing to share your calibrated values or a test project?

 
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Modulo
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Hi, as I said with the "default" profile, the zoom was really good, but strangely the floor didn't match.

We managed to get a good new calibration by measuring the camera position relative to the real object (a box) on which we set up the virtual markers. But since we moved the camera to another location and the calibration is not accurate. It seems to me that the calibration has to be redone every time you move your camera to get a perfect match.

Covid is preventing me to get back to the studio to finalize this matter. I'll try to post again if I get more results.

 
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Aximmetry
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Hi Modulo,

The only thing you have modify when you relocate the camera is its height from the floor.
We apologize we did not mention this before.

It's very simple.  Start Camera Calibrator,  select the Panasonic camera

click Properties

Measure the camera's height from the floor and enter it here:


ALTERNATIVELY:

You can set the height to zero in Camera Calib.     

Then you can easily specify the current height in your compound ont the ORIGIN panel as well:

      

Note that in this case you have to specify it in meters.


 
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markusnygard_yle
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Have you done one for Panasonic UE100?


br markus

 
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Zoltan@Aximmetry
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Hi Markus,

We haven't, sorry.

 
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achim.immermann
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We have two AW-UE150 PTZ cameras. The trouble is I get "doubled" values as an input. So if the camera is rotated 90° aximmetry gets (also in the camera calibrator where i can see the values) 180°.

Do you have any hint to fixing this without or should i be fiddling in the node system. it seems to be exactly twice the value.

The cameras are working in other systems.

 
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Mixmaxmax
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Hi Achim, 

had the same problem. I solved it by defining the Ports of the camera on which they send out the trackingdata far apart from each other. So if you use Port 1000 on one, take 10000 on the other one. There seems to be an overlap. You probably also will not have the problem when using only one camera. 

 
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Zoltan@Aximmetry
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Well, it's certainly strange. Free-D data should be sent via a single specific port by the camera. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing this solution!

 
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rolando
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Hello everyone,

we have the same problem with the AW-UE150 and Free-D.

Zoom is working, but not pan and tilt.

We also have this strange shift of perspective when moving the PTZ.

Did anybody find the final solution to this problem?


Thanks in advance.

Best

Roland

 
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Kostiantyn Habriichuk
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and I had this problem when I rotate the camera 180 the floor in the calibrator rotates 360

Tried to put ports, as mentioned above 1000 and 10000, did not help, please tell me the solution to this problem, because the project is incorrect tracking

 
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Mixmaxmax
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My problem was: Pan & Tilt values where with factor 2. If I rotated the pan by 90, the model rotated by 180. I discovered that when using just one insted of two UE150´s, the values where correct. Experimenting with the portnumber and I guess also with the ip number finally ended up with the values working for both cameras at some time. After I got that fixed I did not work with that setup any more, did only virtual-cam-projects. So it might be that my solution is wrong and the fact that I got it to work was something else, or pure luck. 


So if you are using two cameras, turn one off, best delete it completly and have only one camera in the project. Is the problem still there? If yes, it is something completly differnet cuasing the problem. If it works with just one camera this would be a good leed, and that a software engineer from Aximmetry could take a look and find out what the bug is. 

 
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Zoltan@Aximmetry
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Hi all,

Recently we found that another cause of the doubling problem can be that you specified the PTZ camera both for the Tracking Device and the Zoom Device property.

If that's the case please reset the Zoom Device property.

Zoom Device property only has to be used when

a) you use a separate zoom/focus encoder device (like Glassmark or Vanishing Point Viper)

b) you monted your PTZ camera on stativ/crane that itself tracked by another tracking system e.g. Stype or Mo-sys.  In this case you specify the other tracking system as Tracking Device and the PTZ as the Zoom Device,  the system will combine them.

 
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mauro1304
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Hi all,

We had a similar Problem, Zoom was working, but with Pan an Tilt the Floor was not matching.

We recently figured out that with the AW-UE150, you can switch between Optical and Digital Zoom. The Calibration File shared in the Top of this Post works with the Digital Zoom. If you want to use Optical you have to Calibrate it manually.

Might be not the solution to everybody's problems here, but our Setup worked fine (we had 3 PTZ running at the same Time)  

 
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Eric Soulard
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Hi,


I met the same issue. It was solved using another calibration profile generated with camera calibrator.



 
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corpdemo
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Heya

I'm receiving Pan/Tilt tracking data correctly from the AW-UE150, but not receiving zoom data. The calibration file at the top no longer links properly. Has anyone had a similar issue or do they have access to said file?


 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi,

You will need to make a zoom calibration using the Basic Calibrator: https://aximmetry.com/learn/virtual-production-workflow/preparation-of-the-production-environment-phase-i/tracking/basic-calibrator/

Note, the other automatic app called Camera Calibrator currently can not be used with PTZ cameras. But that will probably change in a future patch.

Warmest regards,

 
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Mobicam
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I still have problems with Calibration of the He UE 150. The real world is shifting in the virtual world. Tracking delay is not helping. Can you please share a profile for the Panasonic ptz ?

 
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Eric Soulard
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Here is a profile file with optical distorsion. Works also fine with AW100.

https://mab.to/t/4ImHtpUdZIo/eu1

You need to correct the focus found in the Control data collection. The AW is sending it in mm, Axi is looking for meters:


Here are the group elements:

I'm dividing by 1,000. In that case, I also used and add module just for artistic reasons asked by the end customer.

All the best

 
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TwentyStudios
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@Mobicam: Did you calibrate the zoom in the Basic calibrator? Also, since the FreeD data from the UE150 is just Pand/Tilt, you’ll have to set your floor height manually and precisely. Also make sure the base of the camera is mounted totally level, or tracking won’t be accurate. 

 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi,

We're excited to share that the latest version of Aximmetry, version 2023.2.0, has been released today!
The Camera Calibrator now supports PTZ camera calibration and lens calibration. You don't need to use the Basic Calibrator anymore when doing calibration with PTZ cameras.

To learn more about all the changes and improvements included in this version of Aximmetry, please visit the following link: https://aximmetry.com/learn/software-version-history/

Warmest regards,

 
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ToniWedio
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@Eifert will you publish a video tutorial or a help web page explaining how to calibrate a PTZ with the upgraded camera calibrator? TIA


 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi,

There might be a video about it in the future, but probably not anytime soon.

However, you should be able to do the whole calibration just by following the in-app tooltips (?) and helper texts.
At the start, you will have to add a new Calibration Profile and choose PTZ:

Most of what is written here also applies to the PTZ calibration: https://aximmetry.com/learn/virtual-production-workflow/preparation-of-the-production-environment-phase-i/tracking/camera-calibrator/ 

If you get stuck somewhere or something is not clearly explained, then please report where and we will try to help.

Warmest regards,

 
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eca-studio
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We had similar issues with AW-UE150 tracking. Long story short, we only got it working properly after changing the sensor width in the properties. If I correctly remember, the value that worked was 18.35.

 
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marc.colemont
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These links don't work anymore. I would like to have the calibration file for the AW-UE150 if possible.


 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi Marc.Colemont

The Camera Calibrator now supports PTZ camera calibration and lens calibration. If you use it, you will get a better calibration than anyone's else calibration with their AW-UE150.

Warmest regards,

 
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TrondS
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I´m also looking for a calibration profile to test with our UE-150´s. We did a calibration with the Camera Calibrator, but I'm not convinced of the result.

If you look at the test-footage below, you'll see a bit of acceleration as the movement starts, then stable, and then again a small "jump" when I stop the camera-move. Also with zoom, the object will slide on the floor. 

Our FreeD-network is a small local network for the cameras, controller and axi-computer, so there's no instability or "traffic-jams" on the FreeD-network. 

Link for test footage: https://f.io/2fd3solO (changed to public)

Regards,

Trond


 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi Trond,

From the test footage, it looks like you don't have the tracking delay set. Note, that delays are not saved into the calibration files as they can easily change.
In the Aximmetry camera compounds, you can easily set the delays using the Detect Tracking Delay options.

Warmest regards,

 
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TrondS
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Thanks Eifert, might as well be a delay issue since the overall tracking seems pretty good once stabilized!

Will look into it after the Holidays. 



 
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httvtelevision
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Hi Aximmetry!Currently I have some problems that I hope you can answer!!
I am using the broadcast DE version (trial version). I tried the Vision+4KN30X camera for tracking using FreeD. But when connecting port 7111 of PTZ to Aximmetry, it is still not possible, I do not receive any parameters from PTZ to the software. I'll send you some pictures below, hoping you can help me solve the problem. I have turned off the firewall devices.
Thank you very much!!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b_dhx0-FxjzQBesIinKOQF7NWJVns9Vg/view?usp=sharing

 
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Eifert@Aximmetry
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Hi,

It seems from the video that the FreeD Camera IDs do not match.
The Camera ID is set to 0 in the camera's software:

In Aximmetry, the Camera ID is currently set to 1:
Panasonic AW-UE150 FreeD tracking profile

To rectify this issue, changing the Camera ID to 0 in Aximmetry should successfully address the problem:
Panasonic AW-UE150 FreeD tracking profile

Should you require further assistance or if you encounter any additional challenges, please do not hesitate to reach out.

Warmest regards,